A few days ago I posted a rather harsh article about bullying. You can find it here. In the article (and ensuing discussion) I told of how I had been bullied as a child. I argued that it is quite difficult to forgive and forget, and that bullying can leave scars decades later. I argued that bullies need to be dealt with severely – that we need to bully the bullies.
I still believe that.
Writing that article and engaging in the ensuing discussion has been generally positive and cathartic for me. But, it has also brought back some very old and very painful memories, and has made me think about some uncomfortable things. What follows is one of those uncomfortable things. It is partly a confession, but it has also given me some insights into bullying. It has also perhaps opened a way for me to really forgive those who tormented me in the past.
Here is the confession: I am ashamed to admit that on several occasions as a child I participated in the bullying of another child. I did this despite the fact that I myself had been a victim of bullying for many years. One would think, perhaps, that a victim of bullying would vow never to do the same thing to another human being. It didn’t work that way. Instead, I saw it as a reprieve. I was relieved that another kid was now the target because it pulled attention away from me and made my life easier, at least for a short while.
Two situations stand out in my memory. The first involved a kid I will call Mike. Mike transferred into my Catholic grade school in about 5th grade. By that time, most of us had been in school together for four or five years. Mike was most certainly the new kid – and he was also a different kid. He was the son of Italian immigrants. His father spoke with a heavy accent and sold suits at Sears. He came to school smelling of garlic. Now, these things may not seem that odd – but at my school they were VERY odd. The parish I attended was the same one Melinda Gates attends now. The only black kids at my school were the children of NBA star Lenny Wilkens. Parents had prestigious jobs – they most certainly did not work at Sears.
So, Mike had a big target painted on his forehead, and he was bullied from Day 1. I participated. It wasn’t because I had any reason to dislike Mike. I participated because I was a coward. I participated because it took some of the pressure off of me. Every taunt or kick or sucker punch thrown at Mike was one less thrown at me.
Years later, I would hear that Mike had been committed to a state mental institution. He was even briefly in the news after he escaped, threatening to murder his father and his psychiatrist. Did the bullying have anything to do with Mike’s mental illness? I have always wondered. It certainly could not have helped.
The second situation is worse than the first. Another new kid arrived at the school in 7th grade. I will call him Brian. I vividly remember the roll call on that first day of class – the teacher went down the row and had each of us stand and state our name. When it came to be Brian’s turn, he stood and gave his name – in a very very strange voice. It sounded a bit like a southern accent – but we were all northerners and really didn’t know what a southern accent sounded like. Besides, that wasn’t quite it. The voice had a strange quality – strained – not unlike that of a cat in heat being strangled. The class immediately erupted into laughter. I quietly cheered – this was obviously a really weird kid – weirder by far than I was. He would certainly take some of the pressure off of me!
As it turned out, Brian had cerebral palsy. I didn’t know the words “cerebral palsy” at the time, nor did any of my classmates. This was well before the days of mainstreaming, and none of us had really been near a physically handicapped child – and we certainly had never had a physically handicapped child in our classroom. Not that it would have mattered if we knew the words or not – because our teacher did absolutely nothing to prepare us for the experience. We were told nothing about Brian’s condition. It could have been a great teaching moment – a chance for us to experience diversity and to realize that a child with a physical handicap was no different from the rest of us. Instead, a handicapped child was plopped down in our midst with absolutely no explanation. Brian was a weird kid, and weird kids are meant to be tortured…. and I participated.
Sometime in the middle of the school year the teacher and school administration realized that Brian was being treated badly, and they attempted to intervene. The teacher gathered us all together and urged told us to stop teasing Brian. She proclaimed “Don’t you realize he is spastic!“
Could she have said anything worse? Didn’t she realize that to 7th graders in the early 1970s the word spastic was synonymous with weird? We had no idea that the term referred to an actual medical condition. To us, all the teacher was doing was confirming what we already knew! Brian was a really weird kid!
I think I feel more guilty about my treatment of Brian than I do about Mike because Brian was physically handicapped. Deep down I suspect I knew that – but it was an inconvenient fact and best ignored. I had no reason to hate or dislike Brian. In fact, he was a pretty nice guy. But, teasing Brian it took pressure off of me. If Brian was being tortured it meant that I was not.
Brian left the school after that year and transferred to public school. I did not keep up with him, but other friends related that he seemed to have an easier time at the public school than at the Catholic school. I have noticed this as well with my own children, who have attended both Catholic school and public school. There seems to be far less bullying in public schools. I am not sure why this is, or if the observation is even valid. It might be worth thinking about in a future blog.
My actions were not particularly noble, were they? I would love to be able to say that the experience of being bullied led me to stick up for Mike and Brian. Instead, I acted out of fear. I feared the bullies and I would do what I could to escape them – even if it meant engaging in despicable behavior. Believe me, I knew what I was doing was wrong.
So, there is my confession. I have made peace with my conscience, and I hope that Mike and Brian have forgiven me – if they even remember me. This has been a tough memory to relive, but in reliving it I have perhaps gained some important insights – insights into myself and insights into bullies.
I acted out of fear. I acted because I was afraid that the bullies would turn their attention back on me. I failed to stand up for others because I knew that by doing so I would put myself in harm’s way.
I acted out of fear. I wonder how many of my tormentors – the kids who bullied me – were likewise acting out of fear.
I will never know. But, understanding that fear and empathizing with that fear perhaps gives me an avenue to forgiveness.
Tags: Bullying, Education, Law, National Affairs, observations, psychology, psychopathology, reflections, wordpress-political-blogs
October 8, 2010 at 6:40 pm |
HP, not to rub salt in the wound, but to me the great irony is that if you HAD defended Mike and Brian, it would have only enhanced your own self-respect and perhaps made you more immune to the bullies who taunted you. I’m sure you learned that ultimately siding with them against Mike and Brian really didn’t win you any friends in the long run.
I hate to go all Darwin here, but I think there is a “survival of the fittest” instinct in all of us, an instinct that civil society is supposed to keep in check.
One of the reasons my parents pulled me out of an exclusively disabled classroom environment was they noticed that the disabled kids WERE BEATING UP ON EACH OTHER! My Mom, in particular, just assumed that if any child was capable of empathy it would be a disabled child. But no, that was not the case. A kid who could walk would beat up on a kid who could not. A kid who could walk fast would beat up on a kid who could only walk slow. There was a pecking order.
As for your teacher … she was a dolt. Not because she didn’t “prepare you guys” for Brian. I DO believe Brian should have been brought into class without explanation. He had every right to be there. But when she felt the need to do some explaining, she chose the word “spastic” which most disabled people find immensely offensive. Like I said, she was a dolt of the first order.
The best way you can make amends, and I suspect you already have, is to raise your kids to accept people as they are and judge them on their actions, not on how they talk or how they look.
P.S. In elementary school I got really angry with a kid who had muscular dystrophy and I squeezed his arm real hard. My Mom really let me have it later “If he could have hauled off and hit you, would you have squeezed his arm?” The answer, of course, was no. Now let’s be clear, the kid was a jerk. Having MD didn’t exempt him from being a complete assh*le but I shouldn’t have given his arm a squeeze.
October 9, 2010 at 9:16 am |
Rutherford said: HP, not to rub salt in the wound, but to me the great irony is that if you HAD defended Mike and Brian, it would have only enhanced your own self-respect and perhaps made you more immune to the bullies who taunted you. I’m sure you learned that ultimately siding with them against Mike and Brian really didn’t win you any friends in the long run.
Well, gee, thanks….. oh well…. what is a little more salt…..
I don’t think I ever expected to make friends by my actions – I was purely in survival mode – and my actions did buy me some brief reprieve. Self-respect and self-confidence are indeed critical – but in retrospect I am not sure that standing up for Mike and Brian would have helped my self-respect too much – at least at the time. Gaining self-respect required me to find some stuff I was good at (swimming, music, and eventually academics when I stopped being school phobic) – and it also required getting away from that group of people and starting fresh – which didn’t occur until college.
I hate to go all Darwin here, but I think there is a “survival of the fittest” instinct in all of us, an instinct that civil society is supposed to keep in check.
Others will disagree, but I think you are right on track. When I teach Animal Behavior we cover siblicide and infanticide and brood reduction in animals and I am always struck by how similar these are to bullying in humans.
The best way you can make amends, and I suspect you already have, is to raise your kids to accept people as they are and judge them on their actions, not on how they talk or how they look.
Absolutely – I have raised my kids with zero-tolerance to bullying – and indeed they seem to have responded. Not only do they not bully others, but they on several occasions gone to the rescue of other kids. I guess it takes a generation to sink in…
October 8, 2010 at 6:47 pm |
hippieprof,
You bring up a good point. All of us participated in some forms of what now would be termed bullying. To hold children accountable decades later for what they did is not profitable. All of us would love to go back and treat people in our past better. It can’t be done. We are not the same people we were.
Again, the adults around us had responsibility to teach us right from wrong and to monitor what the hell we were doing. Our parents sometimes let us down and the schools definitely did.
October 9, 2010 at 9:04 am |
Alan said: Again, the adults around us had responsibility to teach us right from wrong and to monitor what the hell we were doing. Our parents sometimes let us down and the schools definitely did.
I absolutely agree, Alan – though in both the personal cases I mentioned the adults did attempt to intervene – but in both cases they failed miserably. I think one reason they failed is that the appealed to our conscience – and at that age our collective conscience was not too well developed, even in a Catholic school.
October 8, 2010 at 6:59 pm |
Hippie,
I’ve not been on here for a while due to time and work constraints, but I find this particular post to be poignant and honorable. I think that everyone, conservative and liberal, should view bullying in the same light. Bullies are cowards and we should do our best to make sure that no one is bullied. I usually find your posts to be trite and annoying, but this time you hit the nail on the head. Two thumbs up my liberal and deceived friend.
Purveyor of An Informed Blog and upholder of conservative ideals,
An Informed Mind
http://aninformedmind.wordpress.com
October 9, 2010 at 9:02 am |
The informed one said: I usually find your posts to be trite and annoying, but this time you hit the nail on the head. Two thumbs up my liberal and deceived friend.
Well, thanks, I guess……
Welcome back. I had been wondering where you had gone off to. You have some good insights and I do value your input in these conversations.
(see there – I said something nice about you. It should make you feel guilty for that “trite and annoying” comment
)
October 9, 2010 at 11:54 am |
Oh Hippie One,
Actually I do kinda regret it now.
But we will always disagree on something, it just happens that ours involves politics… and just about everything else. But I do thank you for the compliment. You yourself have some good points now and then.
)
Purveyor of An Informed Blog and upholder of conservative ideals,
An Informed Mind
http://aninformedmind.wordpress.com
October 8, 2010 at 7:01 pm |
I bullied my younger siblings. However, no one else was allowed to.
I was bullied in school for my appearance…by burly, impoverished black girls.
I’m not going to say that the experience was “good” for me (only God knows that), but I can say that I learned to be sensitive to others and later on I found the courage to stand up for the odd-balls who were being humiliated, even when the bully was my sixth-grade English teacher.
However, it has left a lasting scar on me. But maybe it’s not such a bad scar.
My mother was complimenting my appearance the other day, and although I was genuinely appreciative of it, she could tell I was not in agreement. She remarked that I don’t have a realistic view of myself.
I told her that besides the fact that I can do nothing about my self-image, I would much rather it be this way than on the other end of the spectrum — thinking myself much better-looking than reality.
God can turn evil into good. His grace has proven sufficient.
October 9, 2010 at 9:20 am |
Hey Natassia – I am glad you dropped in and commented.
I can say that I learned to be sensitive to others and later on I found the courage to stand up for the odd-balls who were being humiliated, even when the bully was my sixth-grade English teacher. However, it has left a lasting scar on me. But maybe it’s not such a bad scar.
Writing about this and discussing it here has been a real learning experience for me. As I have said, I have scars – but perhaps it has made me a better adult and a better father. As an adult, I don’t think I have ever intentionally been cruel to someone. Maybe that is a positive result of my past. Who knows?
October 8, 2010 at 7:35 pm |
Well, since we are making confessions, I apologize to Tim Terhune. I bullied him unmercifully and one time even injured him. I have no idea why, because I didn’t even dislike him. He was just an easy victim, and I was a coward. A complete asshole, just like my father treated me. Surprisingly, Tim and I ended up at the same church later and became somewhat friendly. But his mother never forgot.
Here’s a lesson. Years later, I was being interviewed on campus for a job I would have liked to have had. In 1982, we were at the height of a severe recession – not unlike now. Interviews on campus were at a premium and they assigned credits to bid – yes, that bad. I used a majority of my credits to sign up with a particular firm that happened to be hiring in my own home town. I walked into the interview and there sat Tim Terhune’s mother.
Needless to say, I didn’t get the job. I did get a severe dressing down about immaturity, cruelty, and the suggestion I look elsewhere. I think my answer was “Yes mam. And I’m sorry about Tim.”
But Hippie, I will disagree with you about one thing – at least it is different here. My own children attended a Catholic school. At that school, bullying was absolutely not allowed. You followed the rules of Sister Mary Claire, or you were gone. I am absolutely sure public schools here couldn’t say the same. But in fairness to you and your opinion, the only time I got my butt kicked was at a vacation Bible school.
Tell you one other lesson I learned in college. Again, sheer bullying, though I didn’t mean for it to start that way. There were three nerds in our dorm. I picked their lock one night and messed up there room. By messing up, I mean overturned the beds, emptied the drawers, etc. Only problem was, I started a mob. People went nuts. Dumped spittoons onto the bed, lit towels on fire, peed on the sheets, etc…ransacked every thing in the room.
I sat there aghast at what I had started and learned a lesson – people are easily influenced, and to initiate a mob incredibly easy. Scary really.
October 9, 2010 at 9:33 am |
But Hippie, I will disagree with you about one thing – at least it is different here. My own children attended a Catholic school. At that school, bullying was absolutely not allowed. You followed the rules of Sister Mary Claire, or you were gone. I am absolutely sure public schools here couldn’t say the same. But in fairness to you and your opinion, the only time I got my butt kicked was at a vacation Bible school.
I have far too small of a sample to draw any valid conclusions – I am really only thinking about events at two Catholic schools. Both of those schools were attached to affluent parishes – and in both cases the bullies belonged to wealthy families. I suspect the administration may have been protecting the bullies because the family donated heavily to the school/parish. Come to think of it, I don’t think I ever saw a wealthy kid being bullied – but I saw it happen to poorer kids all the time.
I sat there aghast at what I had started and learned a lesson – people are easily influenced, and to initiate a mob incredibly easy. Scary really.
I have seen similar things. I mentioned Lord of the Flies in a comment on the previous post. The events in the book seem very realistic to me.
October 9, 2010 at 9:57 am |
To be truthful Hippie, it may have been that I had daughters who never had any problems to speak of, neither terribly shy, and both pretty normal that they didn’t have any apparent weakness. They both blended in. Both mentioned some “mean” girls on occasion, but if they had any experience with bullying, they never mentioned it to their ogre of a father.
And though there were some people there of unbelievable wealth, the sisters and principal never made a big deal of it that I saw in my ten years there. I never felt uncomfortable, unless it was parking our Accord between the high Jaguars and Mercedes. Even more, I never saw any of the real rich throw their weight around either or try to have influence. The Sisterhood ran a very tight ship – loving, but tight. It really was a good school with a super administration and staff, and a good group of parents. Some of the houses we attended parties looked like castles in Scotland, though. Considerable wealth that I could only imagine – wine cellars and the works. Most of the time, they were not the superior students either.
One story to maybe back you up. After the 8th grade, there were two predominant high schools most kids attended – one incredibly exclusive; the other more in line with what you would find in a good public school. My kids chose the latter, even when mom and dad gave them the choice. But I did hear one mother who I immensely respected and had the money to do as she wished, mention one time how she was glad her daughter had left the “exclusive” crowd. She said some of the girls who went the other way were awful. And as I’ve told you more than once Hippie, it’s been my personal experience that more often than not, money and class are inversely related.
October 12, 2010 at 3:04 pm |
Not much has changed.
October 8, 2010 at 11:36 pm |
Note to self:
Don’t make a Sarah Palin comment.
Don’t make a Sarah Palin comment.
Don’t make a Sarah Palin comment.
Don’t make a Sarah Palin comment.
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!
October 9, 2010 at 8:31 am |
Mr. Rutherford,
Did I tell you that I found you calling out the bullies by name in the last post funny? Bastards never knew that payback from you was going to go global. See what you’ve started? Hippie’s now got me groveling for forgiveness. I never knew libs capable of pulling at my heart strings.
That’s always been my Achilles heel – mercy. I could never bring myself to go for the kill. And I’m a complete wet rag when it comes to animals, small children, and women who can stoke up some tears. I’m sure sometime I was bullied by someone else other than my father or the police on one account, but off hand, I can’t think of a name to call out.
October 9, 2010 at 9:38 am |
That’s always been my Achilles heel – mercy.
That is a pretty good Achilles Heel to have, Tex. I swear someone said somewhere that mercy was a blessing…..
October 9, 2010 at 3:23 pm |
The funny part is if either of those buttheads were to read this comments thread, they’d say “I never went to school with a Rutherford”. LOL guess it is a bit dirty pool of me to call them out by name while hiding behind my pseudonym … but tough crap!
October 9, 2010 at 11:00 am |
hippieprof,
I am not in favor of this anti bullying legislation that has been batted around. I admit I’m not fully informed on it, but in my experience, our bureaucratic masters will overreach and term everything bulling. Anything so they can control and at the same time be incredibly lazy.
There are other ways to control the most blatant forms of torment the young inflict on one another. I have in mind the incident where a gay young man had a sexual encounter recorded and posted on the internet. He committed suicide. In this case I believe that those responsible should be locked up and have the key thrown away. This has to be covered under some kind of anti snooping, privacy regulation.
Less of a crime but still not right is the posting of images taken from security cameras, on the internet. All of us are on camera from all of the public and private security cameras everywhere now. Those with access to those images should be barred from releasing them to the public unless there is actually some need such as a crime committed.
October 9, 2010 at 1:09 pm |
In terms of your mea culpa, HP, I would say you can’t be blamed. You know this, but as kids, you don’t even have the language to describe what’s happening to you or how you’re feeling, which is why I find linguistics so fascinating. So as a kid, when I would say, “He’s pulling my hair”, that is all I knew how to say. But it meant, he’s scaring and humiliating me. You also do not have a repertoire of possible responses. You don’t have enough experience for that. So survival mode is what kicks in.
October 9, 2010 at 4:33 pm |
Well, on a brighter note I’m going to contradict my Darwinism comment. There are SOME kids, maybe not many, but some who seem to be born empathetic.
I will never forget as long as I live a very small event some 20 years ago that anyone else would have forgotten by now. My insurance agent had a long rickety flight of stairs in front of her office building which was not easy for me to navigate with my leg braces and cane. But navigate I did. I’m on my way out of the office, on my way down the stairs, when a young woman and her son were on the way up. The boy couldn’t have been more than four or five. He looked at me with great concern and said “be careful”. I smiled at him and assured him I would.
It’s hard to describe the look on the boy’s face or the sound of his voice but this was not the typical kid I encounter who stares at me from gross curiosity. This kid looked like he felt he was responsible for keeping things orderly for all the world. His genuine concern really touched my heart.
So maybe we’re not all hard-wired to survive at someone else’s expense?
October 14, 2010 at 12:49 am |
Rutherford, I’ve been reading up and down this comment thread since hearing about Jim – just wanted to let you know that your story about the little boy touched me deeply. I know a boy like that. A wonderful boy.
October 14, 2010 at 9:22 am |
I didn’t think I could find the words to do the boy justice so I am very glad the story resonated with you.
October 9, 2010 at 5:01 pm |
This is my first ever blog comment, so you should be quite proud to have inspired me to say something ‘to everyone’ other than pressing the ‘like’ button on FB.
I think this is a topic close to heart to many people, and I have a few small well-placed (I think) comments to leave…
First, too many parents teach their children not to get involved with squabbles, fights, and bullying that doesn’t involve them. We teach our kids not to do things for others that might harm them by saying those things like ‘it’s none of your business’ or ‘why would you want to put yourself in that position’ or ‘why would you risk being the target’ or ‘do you see where that got you, now they’re picking on you’. Parents don’t want their children hurt, not emotionally and not physically, but universally making them afraid of standing up for others doesn’t help either. I fully think that adults should be the responsible parties with children (although probably not in the same way as most people), and I do understand that teachers ‘intervening’ can sometimes make things worse because it’s not done properly. I also understand that parents can’t be everywhere. However, I do thing that teaching kids personal responsibility and standing up for others is incredibly important for those times when the adults fail or are not around.
I completely agree with the evolutionary viewpoint of the perpetuation of this behavior, and that may or may not have something to do with the fact that Hippie WAS my professor >.>. However, I also believe that our culture places very little value on heroism. In fact, I think a lot of times our cultures frowns upon or punishes heroism. Think back to telling your kids not to get involved…it is teaching them NOT to be heroic. Not only that but what do we show kids on TV and in the movies? Most heroes are NOT ordinary people, and that sends a message that you cannot be the one to be the hero. You need to be Wolverine or Batman or whatever. How many ordinary people are heroes everyday, and we very rarely see it on the news? Why aren’t movies or shows made about THOSE people? Are the stories not interesting enough that we need superpowers or money? Culturally, sticking your neck out is not valued and it’s not evolutionarily selected for either. We are fighting a serious battle here with those two forces!
Also, I’d like to say that I teach classes (human relations) and do work-shops on bullying for everything from church groups, parents, to 4-H groups. I have seen and heard so much on this topic that it’s very close to me. Every time I hear something from a young ‘hero’, I can’t help but think that it’s one more kid out there that might get saved a little heartache (or even a suicide or a school massacre) because for some reason that child hero is different from all the other lemmings. We need to shift some social forces the other way, and it doesn’t have to be with legislation. I have seen kids go wide-eyed with some of the potential results of bullying, and even seen some cry (not just the kids who were ‘victims’ either). All from watching a few videos, listening to a bit of educational pieces, and having some discussion. I don’t have any ‘science’ that it works, but I’d like to think that it at least helps. Kids have very, very poor ability to anticipate the future and to see future consequences (and not just immediate consequences) when it deals with others. The do not have the benefit of experience to have developed a sense of appropriate responses. They are not motivated to think about these things either, but when they do most people would be surprised about what they say about it. Once they see what can happen, they no longer have to guess or anticipate what the future might bring. They KNOW. Some might not care, and that’s going to happen. For those who do care, they have said it’s been a life-changing experience. Kids ARE capable, but we need to give them a push in the proper direction. Kudos to you Prof for giving your kids that push, and kudos to the other parents who do the same.
October 12, 2010 at 10:39 am |
To those of you who are followers of this blog, I wanted to let you know that its author, Jim Dougan, had a massive heart attack this past Sunday and passed away. I was a friend of his and we played music together in Cross the Dog for the last three years. Jim was a wonderfully thoughtful and kind man, and I know that he enjoyed having people read his thoughts and engage in discourse here. The fact that he was able to find people to disagree with but civilly debate was a great source of joy. Please keep him in your thoughts; even though he is no longer here, his thoughts and musings are for us to reflect upon in this webpage. Thanks to all of you for connecting with Jim.
October 12, 2010 at 12:21 pm |
Jim was a great man, professor, and friend. I’ll really miss him, and I’ll miss reading this blog immensely. My thoughts and prayers go out to his large family.
October 12, 2010 at 1:36 pm |
I am speechless. Hippie (Jim) was a political ally of mine and a fair kind individual. That his final blog post was so confessional only proves what a fine and thoughtful man he was.
I am truly shocked and feel a great loss. For whomever is monitoring this blog, please pass my thoughts on to his family.
October 12, 2010 at 2:16 pm |
It is never a happy report when I hear that someone who was actually interested in debate has passed on.
I sincerely pray that HP has found comfort in the eternal arms of Jesus, and that he can reserve a really good “discussion” for the day when we can all join him there.
October 12, 2010 at 2:21 pm |
This saddens me to no end. In fact, it sickens me.
Hippie and I were constantly battling and disagreed on little. But there was no doubt that I enjoyed our conversations and hoped I conveyed that through our some of our battles.
I think sometimes Hippie thought I did not like him. Quite the contrary, I found him most interesting, which is what kept me coming back. In reading these last posts, I thought for one moment, I understood why Hippie had arrived at his conclusions – what had molded the man. I am very grateful he shared these last stories.
To whom it may concern and if any of the family reads this blog, forgive me if in reading through these, I came across harsh or vile many times. Your father or brother, son or friend, gave me much food for thought and touched me in some way. The fact is, that I cared about Jim. Like Rutherford above, who I agree with little, in some twisted way that only the internet can provide, I considered Jim a foe but a friend. I only wish I had gotten to meet him in person.
My condolences in your loss.
October 12, 2010 at 2:26 pm |
Strike that first sentence above. My thoughts are clouded at this minute and my heart heavy. That should have read, “Hippie and I were constantly battling and agreed on little.”
Somewhere, Mr. Hippie you are giggling this minute that Tex’s final response to you had to be corrected. Without being here Jim, you were still able to gig me.
October 12, 2010 at 2:30 pm |
Hippie Prof (Jim) and I rarely agreed on anything political, but the man was a true gentleman and will be missed greatly.
My condolences to his friends and family.
October 12, 2010 at 3:10 pm |
Hippie Prof – I didn’t know you for long, and even then it was only online. But it stood out on you that you were a scholar and a gentleman, as well as a thoughtful and kind-hearted soul.
If there’s a rock-and-roll heaven (and you know that there is), the band just got a great new member. Maybe someday we can continue the discussion.
Godspeed.
October 12, 2010 at 7:05 pm |
I’m still in too much shock to say much. But I would like to thank John Hooker for commenting and letting us know what happened, otherwise we may never have known. That was very thoughtful. Thanks, John.
October 12, 2010 at 7:46 pm |
My most sincere condolences to Jim’s family. I will put you all in my prayers and will pray for Jim. He was a “Man in Full” and I will miss the scintillating debates. He was a gentleman and a square guy.
October 12, 2010 at 10:56 pm |
This is shocking news, and I am deeply saddened.
I had been corresponding with Jim via email to pick his psychology brain concerning research I am doing on the way guerrilla movements put out information. We had some really cool non-political discussions and he gave me a couple important avenues to look into. During those discussions, it was obvious he really loved what he did and sharing it with others. I was really looking forward to sharing it all with him when finished.
My condolences to his family, friends, and students. All of whom are surely missing what seemed to be a fine man.
October 13, 2010 at 6:05 pm |
My condolences to Mr. Dougan’s family. I enjoyed participating on his blog.
October 13, 2010 at 9:36 pm |
John, thank you for coming here to let us know. My heart is heavy – the prof was a newfound and very welcome friend. I miss him already. My condolences to you and his other friends and family. He was a fine man, a fine mind and always willing to listen. Requiem in pace, prof.
October 13, 2010 at 9:46 pm |
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October 13, 2010 at 10:17 pm |
Very sad news, very sad indeed.
October 15, 2010 at 2:54 pm |
I am truly saddened by this news. I first came to know HP when he’d drop by our blog, so of course I checked his out. As many here have said, HP provided a civil, intelligent discourse, something that is sadly lacking today. Regardless if I agreed with him (frequently) or not (rarely), I always felt that I learned something.
My sympathies to his family and friends.
October 13, 2010 at 11:06 pm |
I never saw Mr. Dougan. I never heard his voice. I didn’t even know his real name.
But I read his words. And he gave me a piece of his thoughts through them.
Despite the relative anonymity and callousness of the blogosphere, he was a real person to me. And that really just hit me today when I learned of his death.
October 14, 2010 at 12:22 am |
RIP HippieProf. You will be missed. You’re already missed.
October 14, 2010 at 12:30 am |
Whenever I saw HP’s icon in a thread I always knew I could look forward to a good debate. I’m sorry we did not have more opportunities to interact with him.
My condolences to Hippie Prof’s family and friends.
October 14, 2010 at 8:43 am |
I just recently became acquainted with Jim via this blog. I’m sorry to learn of his death and send my condolences to his family and friends.
October 14, 2010 at 2:48 pm |
I don’t know if this is the correct place or not to comment on HP’s death, but it truly is sad to hear. The frequency with which him and I agreed I think is irrelevant, but what mattered was the quality of the discussions. Someone said that they knew a thread was going to be good if HP’s icon appeared, and I would agree.
To his friends and family, know that he touched many people, more than you may be aware of, and perhaps more than he knew himself most positively. I think that’s a noble goal to aspire to in life, and it should bring at least some level of comfort to know he achieved that. I think we remember and honor him best by both acknowledging that and trying to do the same ourselves.
October 14, 2010 at 3:35 pm |
My thoughts and prayers go out to Hippie’s family. I agreed with him on next to nothing politically, but thoroughly enjoyed the debate. I didn’t know him personally, but I know that he is missed by all throughout the blogosphere and by his family, friends and all who knew him. As I always used to call him as we started our debates, “Farewell oh Hippie One”.
October 14, 2010 at 9:00 pm |
For those of you interested in the Hippie Professor’s musical exploits, here is a link to a slideshow of his past 5 years in bands set to him singing his original song, Knight Job, recorded with his band Knights of Crisis.
October 14, 2010 at 9:04 pm |
Again, thanks to you all for your interactions with Jim. Here is a link to his obituary: http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/obituaries/article_dcd1d38e-d722-11df-bc21-001cc4c002e0.html
October 14, 2010 at 9:57 pm |
John – thanks for that. It’s odd how deeply I find myself grieving for this sweet and kind man I never met.
October 14, 2010 at 10:08 pm |
John, thanks for giving us the updates. It’s especially hard to reach any kind of closure with someone you’ve only known online and you’ve helped greatly in our getting some closure.
As I said in a comment at my own blog, just this morning after publishing a blog article I found myself thinking “can’t wait to see Hippie weigh in on this one”. Then of course I came back to reality.
Thanks again John.
November 6, 2010 at 1:58 pm |
Just found out this morning that HippieProf passed away and I’m very sad to hear it. I wish his family and friends well. He and I conversed on several topics and didn’t agree much, but I think we respected each other’s views and enjoyed something in there somewhere.
After the election, we were going to resume a discussion, and I’m sorry that the opportunity will not become a reality.
Rest In Peace, HippieProf!
November 15, 2010 at 10:22 pm |
I’m embarrased that my work has kept me away from HP for this long. Jim was an honerable man who I will miss. See you on the High Ground one day my friend.
-POTR
November 25, 2010 at 9:19 pm |
Dear Jim Dougan family,
I thought about each of you today being it Thanksgiving. I knew this would be a difficult day for your family and wanted you to know that Jim has not been forgotten.
If any of you happens to read this, I wanted you to know how much I have missed my conversations with Jim. Throughout our small circle of blogging friends from all ends of the political and religious spectrum, Jim’s memory is alive and well, and each of you should be proud that Jim undoubtedly touched many, if not most of us.
November 25, 2010 at 10:12 pm |
Dear Dougans: Let me add an Amen to Tex’s comment. I still miss Jim – he really managed to be a real and warm person to us.
December 20, 2010 at 5:43 pm |
Wow, I didn’t know Jim had passed until a customer at my store came in and told me. I had known Jim for years, playing Magic in one of the (now closed) game stores in town. My wife knew him from her days as a student as IWU. It made me very sad to know someone I had just recently been missing from my first years in Bloomington/Normal had passed away. I’m sure somewhere he’s playing a mountain and a goblin right about now…
January 8, 2011 at 11:39 pm |
Hey, Jim. Just working on my web page and thinking of you, the future, and the past, and how they all tie together in the end…
I hope you found your way back to the trees and mountains where you grew to the man you were. I think Val and the kids were on their way to take you there when I saw them at your funeral mass. I wondered if you ever went to church–the pastor said he didn’t know you, but he spoke as if he did. I wondered if the service was for you or for us. When I watched them carry what looked like a small, cedar box down the green and fake-wood Catholic aisle, I wondered how a man so big could fit in a space so small. I felt small in that church like you must have felt in that box. Overwhelmed. Uncomfortable. A stranger in a strange land. I wished you were there to discuss the odd juxtaposition of a man of science in such a religious place. And then I followed the ceremony as best I could, prayed as best I could, and left as I only could.
I suffered your death alone because I had to. I’m still handling it alone, but… I guess that’s how it has to be.
I have a habit of talking too much, so I’ll try to keep this short. I hope that, eventually, through wind and time, parts of you find their way back here, back to the place where we met, back to the garage where we played and talked for hours and days and nights about what it means to be human and make mistakes, and how to make amends and go on when we can.
It’s a new year; I thought you should know that you still travel with me wherever I go. I think of and miss you often, my friend. There will always be little pieces of you strewn here and there in my love and my life. Thank you for giving me peace of mind, good advice, and an intelligent counter to my sometimes rambling and confused state of mind. My love to your family that remains, and my hope that the best memories of you (and they all were pretty damn good) carry on to the next generations.
-Bran
January 9, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
Yes, Bran, he is still missed, even by his digital friends, even by his newest friends.
January 8, 2011 at 11:55 pm |
That was very moving. I thank you for posting it. Jim’s passing still haunts me as each new political twist and turn plays out and I wonder what Jim would say about it.
I miss him too. You knew him much better than I did since I only knew him on the Net, but I do miss him.
Thanks again for keeping his spirit alive in your comment. Every now and then all of us who admired him should visit this place just to say hello to his spirit.
January 12, 2011 at 11:54 pm |
Hello all,
I am Jim’s (or the Hippie Professor’s) daughter, Emily. I just wanted to come on here and thank you all for your thoughts and prayers! For some reason, I felt the need to visit my dad’s blog tonight, and reading your words has really touched me.
It makes me proud that I had a father who could invoke intelligent debate as well as emotion in those who read his words. It also makes me proud of my country that so many of you who disagreed with my father’s views are still hurt by his passing and feel deeply for his family.
All I can ask of you all is to keep blogging, debating, and standing up for what you believe in (even if it isn’t what my dad necessarily believed in!). That sounds terribly cliche, but that is exactly what my father would want.
Thank you all for your kind words, they have helped me greatly!
Emily
January 13, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
Bless you Emily – your loss is on a whole different level and I hope you go through the rest of your life with the grace you’ve expressed here.
Yeah, he was a terrific guy and we miss him too.
January 22, 2011 at 8:58 pm |
I had wondered what happened to the Hippie Professor and was shocked to hear of this sad news. He had this amazing ability to discuss issues of debate without losing patience. It’s difficult to lose someone so thoughtful and kind. May he rest in peace.
My condolences to you, Emily and the rest of your family.